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November 25, 2012


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Sun Nov 25, 2012, 1:37 AM
I have spent the last couple of years pretty much lurking on DoA, due to its stifling and incomprehensible rules on what can and can not be posted and the Draconian measures that can be taken against transgressors.  However, having the loosely-moderated chat section that was in operation whilst the forum was down for maintenance lured me out again and I started to get more involved in discussions and debates.  One of these was on where the line should be drawn on depictions of Nazi-styled characters in doll form.  Now, this is an interesting topic as there is clearly a market for fascist-style uniforms.  Fantasy Nazi clothing is made by a number of doll companies.  However, it is a deeply emotive topic and we had some intelligent contributions on both sides of the divide.  Some argued that, because of the horror of the Nazi movement and what it achieved and that it was stil in living memory, any allusions to Nazi party  should be avoided.  Others argued that it was the individual's choice what they did with their dolls and that all that was needed was a little sensitivity over posting warnings on photos threads.  A good debate got going that would, hoepfully, encourage those who were tempted to casual depictions of Nazis to think twice about what they were doing.  Useful, thoughtful stuff.

I got up this morning to find that the thread had been locked.  The reason was that "discussion of Nazis (costumes, characters, etc) is not allowed on DoA" and directed the reader to the forum rules.  The relevant one seems to be prohibition of "Offensive content. This includes profanity, volatile subjects that are handled in an offensive way and glorification of those who have committed atrocities (for example, Nazis, murderers, rapists, etc.)".  Glorification of those who have committed atrocities?  How could an intelligent, balance discussion of the difficulty of depicting a terrible episode of history possibly be glorification?

So, this is where it stands.  DoA continues to censor indiscriminately.  Discussion is stifled and, do you know what?  I really can't be doing with it any more.  I am writing this not because I am peeved, but because I am disappointed.  I have spent (wasted?) hours of my life browsing around DoA and joining in happily with discussions.  I feel that I can no longer do that.  Something has changed and that change has driven away so many of the people I know.  If it doesn't look critically at itself and how it operates, DoA will fade and die and that will be the end of what was actually a pretty entertaining era.  Shame.

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GalXey Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2013  Student General Artist
I only recently returned to DoA (after 3-4 years) to sell a doll and have a browse for ideas on new props/clothing to make only to find it very quite. I very rarely used to post in discussion threads but always loved reading the interesting ones discussing weird and interesting topics. I would love to have friends to chat to about my dolls , their characters and how we portray them in their little worlds inside our minds. I feel I have so much to discuss and think about , so much to learn about why we create our dolls as they are :) But DoA has gone to the immature children of the world that simply run around in circles chasing their tails :( The world needs a good mature outlet for us to share our knowledge and opinions I know I would practically live on it! :) sorry if that was lacking in grammar!
MeiselMaus Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2013
As you would probably predict, I agree entirely.  I would welcome an adult doll/figure forum, without the unicorns and rainbows passive aggression of DoA and with a good amount of traffic.  Unfortunately, although there are many, many BJD fora, none that I have found meets those criteria.  I am still optimistic that something like that will develop, but let's see.  In the meantime, I post on here and lurk occassionally on DoA.
GalXey Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2013  Student General Artist
are there any good BJD groups on DA? I have added any I happen to come across but most seem to have alot of the crazy youngsters as well -_-'
Now that I am older I really want to develop my characters into realistic and well balanced group of individuals. As a traditional artist as well I would love to be able to share their development through both mediums but I feel it may not be possible as most doll groups don't want other art of doll characters :/
MeiselMaus Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2013
I follow a couple of groups on here but with no conviction, so can't recommend any.  If you want a medium to develop and show your characters, why not set up a website?  You can put whatever you like on that and people can enjoy your world.  It is a popular approach.  Mine is, in case you are interested.
Saber-Jaganshi Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2012
I know what you mean, i stopped using DOA ages ago, just as all these new and uneeded rules were starting to come in. at the time i just stopped using it because i had other things that i needed to do, but i keep on hearing people talk about what its like at the moment and i really cant be bothered to put the effort into going back on there and getting back into it, it just doesnt seem worth it...
MeiselMaus Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2012
No, no. It's not. I still pop on there every now and then for news, but that is about it.
seijikat Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2012
DoA is the most over moderated forum I belong to. I get they want to keep things in check and don't want controversy. But they do so at such an extent that it stifles creative content and discussion. It's just... aarrrgh.
MeiselMaus Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012
Well, yes. I have to agree. It might change, it might not. Let's see.
chizzie-shark Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I completely agree with what's being said here.

Most of the chat on DoA right now is stagnant. There's nothing being said that hasn't been said before. There is a constant influx of new members covering the same ground that we've all covered before. And I'm not talking about gushing over your first doll, because of course that's perfectly natural...but it seems the forum has become so big that no-one can find any information anymore. So they just ask the same questions again and again, make the same comments over and over...

I can appreciate that the mods have a really tough time moderating such a large forums, but it certainly has gone overboard. Just look at the number of people who have "Marketplace bans" or are "Banned" altogether! A few years ago this was a big deal. Nowadays it seems like people who have been around forever are getting banned, for trivial reasons.

Don't mean to hate on DoA, but you're right, it needs to grow up. The lack of maturity there is stifling. Anyway, I hope you don't disappear completely though! You're one of my favourite artists - maybe post more on dA instead? XD
MeiselMaus Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2012
I agree. But the fact that the mods are having a hard time is because they are making more work for themselves than they need to. It is the most over-moderated forum I know of.

Personally, I can't see it changing. So, yes, I will be on there less. I will have to use it for the London meets and still depend on it for news, but I feel disinclined to join in. It just isn't my kind of place.

And I will always post picatures on here. You know it.
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