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DoA RIP

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 1:37 AM
I have spent the last couple of years pretty much lurking on DoA, due to its stifling and incomprehensible rules on what can and can not be posted and the Draconian measures that can be taken against transgressors.  However, having the loosely-moderated chat section that was in operation whilst the forum was down for maintenance lured me out again and I started to get more involved in discussions and debates.  One of these was on where the line should be drawn on depictions of Nazi-styled characters in doll form.  Now, this is an interesting topic as there is clearly a market for fascist-style uniforms.  Fantasy Nazi clothing is made by a number of doll companies.  However, it is a deeply emotive topic and we had some intelligent contributions on both sides of the divide.  Some argued that, because of the horror of the Nazi movement and what it achieved and that it was stil in living memory, any allusions to Nazi party  should be avoided.  Others argued that it was the individual's choice what they did with their dolls and that all that was needed was a little sensitivity over posting warnings on photos threads.  A good debate got going that would, hoepfully, encourage those who were tempted to casual depictions of Nazis to think twice about what they were doing.  Useful, thoughtful stuff.

I got up this morning to find that the thread had been locked.  The reason was that "discussion of Nazis (costumes, characters, etc) is not allowed on DoA" and directed the reader to the forum rules.  The relevant one seems to be prohibition of "Offensive content. This includes profanity, volatile subjects that are handled in an offensive way and glorification of those who have committed atrocities (for example, Nazis, murderers, rapists, etc.)".  Glorification of those who have committed atrocities?  How could an intelligent, balance discussion of the difficulty of depicting a terrible episode of history possibly be glorification?

So, this is where it stands.  DoA continues to censor indiscriminately.  Discussion is stifled and, do you know what?  I really can't be doing with it any more.  I am writing this not because I am peeved, but because I am disappointed.  I have spent (wasted?) hours of my life browsing around DoA and joining in happily with discussions.  I feel that I can no longer do that.  Something has changed and that change has driven away so many of the people I know.  If it doesn't look critically at itself and how it operates, DoA will fade and die and that will be the end of what was actually a pretty entertaining era.  Shame.

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:iconsaber-jaganshi:
I know what you mean, i stopped using DOA ages ago, just as all these new and uneeded rules were starting to come in. at the time i just stopped using it because i had other things that i needed to do, but i keep on hearing people talk about what its like at the moment and i really cant be bothered to put the effort into going back on there and getting back into it, it just doesnt seem worth it...
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:iconmeiselmaus:
No, no. It's not. I still pop on there every now and then for news, but that is about it.
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:iconseijikat:
DoA is the most over moderated forum I belong to. I get they want to keep things in check and don't want controversy. But they do so at such an extent that it stifles creative content and discussion. It's just... aarrrgh.
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:iconmeiselmaus:
Well, yes. I have to agree. It might change, it might not. Let's see.
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:iconchizzie-shark:
~chizzie-shark Nov 29, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I completely agree with what's being said here.

Most of the chat on DoA right now is stagnant. There's nothing being said that hasn't been said before. There is a constant influx of new members covering the same ground that we've all covered before. And I'm not talking about gushing over your first doll, because of course that's perfectly natural...but it seems the forum has become so big that no-one can find any information anymore. So they just ask the same questions again and again, make the same comments over and over...

I can appreciate that the mods have a really tough time moderating such a large forums, but it certainly has gone overboard. Just look at the number of people who have "Marketplace bans" or are "Banned" altogether! A few years ago this was a big deal. Nowadays it seems like people who have been around forever are getting banned, for trivial reasons.

Don't mean to hate on DoA, but you're right, it needs to grow up. The lack of maturity there is stifling. Anyway, I hope you don't disappear completely though! You're one of my favourite artists - maybe post more on dA instead? XD
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:iconmeiselmaus:
I agree. But the fact that the mods are having a hard time is because they are making more work for themselves than they need to. It is the most over-moderated forum I know of.

Personally, I can't see it changing. So, yes, I will be on there less. I will have to use it for the London meets and still depend on it for news, but I feel disinclined to join in. It just isn't my kind of place.

And I will always post picatures on here. You know it.
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:iconsharsarannon:
*Sharsarannon Nov 27, 2012  Professional General Artist
Aw. I will seriously miss your insights and beautiful work. I didn't always like some of the things you like topic-wise, but your work is absolutely gorgeous and you're an amazing artist whom I admire greatly.
I hang out on another forum specifically because DoA has problems with what you are and are not allowed to say. I'm constantly having to stop myself from speaking my mind there, so I just use it for strictly hobby stuff and nothing else.
They ban talking about Nazis but regularly tolerate pedophilia/"loli/shota", non-consensual sex act portrayal, and all sorts of other things. I got a thread shut down once by insisting that Native American tribes be treated as separate cultures. Apparently that was "inflammatory".
So yeah, I use the site, I just don't expect to be myself there. It's definitely less of a social club and more of a shop/library.
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:iconmeiselmaus:
Oh FFS on the native American observation. Why can they not act like open-thinking adults rather than maiden aunts? I just can't understand it.

Yes, as I said in response to another comment, consistency and logic are not DoA's thing.
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:iconmathurinedevalois:
Maturity is key to any discussion and if DoA don't allow a discussion this suggests to me that they have a severe lack of faith in the maturity of their members. Of course photo's depicting Nazi violence would be offensive as would any violent photo's which are banned, quite rightly, from DoA. But some gore is allowed - with warnings. As long as a uniform is simply being shown, not the acts of the nazi's themselves then with a warning I don't see why they can't be shown, especially as the doll companies are the ones selling the uniforms.
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:iconmeiselmaus:
Matty, you know full well that the people who run DoA treat its members like children. And, because of the nature of the majority of its members, this is tolerated.

And I once posted a photo thread which suggested brutality in a Nazi setting. It thrived. Silly sods.
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